Friday, October 6, 2006

Immaculate Conception and Assumption in Brief

In Luke chapter 1 in the accounts of what Catholics call The Annuciation and the Visitation, Mary is greeted by the the Angel Gabriel as FULL of Grace. (Luke 1:28) Some translations render this “Hail favored one” or “Highly favored one” Notice that Gabriel does not call her by name but by a title….a title which Catholics believe capture the nature of God’s gift to her. This is the only place in scripture where an angel addresses a human by anything other than that person’s name. The Greek verb used here (and I am not a Greek scholar so I must trust others to tell this to me) carries with it the meaning that Mary has already been graced and is now “fully graced” but the angel cannot be referring to her forthcoming pregnancy (and thus, the presence of Jesus in her womb) because she has not yet consented to it. Even so, she is told “The Lord is WITH you”…present tense. And as I understand it, the Greek verb forms here differ slightly from those used to describe Stephan in Acts 6 in that it is a stronger assertion. So the angel’s greeting implies that was not only filled with Grace in the past but is also in the present moment filled with Grace. All BEFORE being granted the privilege of carrying Jesus in her womb. I believe that Gabriel greeted her as such because He, like me, was is awe of God’s amazing work in her life.

The contrast between the Annunciation in Luke 1 and the account of the birth of John in that same chapter is significant and part of the scriptural reason that Catholics believe that Mary retained her virginity throughout her life. The placement of these two accounts in Luke’s gospel indicates that he intended to to highlight the differences between the two angelic announcements. Notice that Mary responds not with disbelief at the angel’s statement but wonder “How this be, since I have no relations with man?” she does not say, I have not had relations with a man YET. Catholics believe that Mary was a Temple virgin and that her response to the angel Gabriel is indicative her her wonderment because even though she is betrothed she is a vowed virgin. Unless she is ignorant of the birds and the bees, her question makes no sense unless she never intends to consummate her forthcoming marriage. The angel answers her to reassure her that she is not to break her vow of virginity, that her child is to be miraculously conceived. And in fact the Dead Seas Scrolls show that this practice was far more common than previously believed.

And Zechariah says “How shall I know?” which expresses his disbelief (for which he is struck dumb).

Other passages that support the Perpetual Virginity of Mary:

Additionally, the fact that Jesus committed Mary to the care of John (John 19:26) is indicative that there were no brothers to care for her. It would have been illegal for Jesus to do this and for John to accept since by LAW Mary would have been cared for by any other children.

That Mary was perpetually Virgin is a long-standing (and not in the last 500 years sort of Tradition). Of course these are not scriptural references but I only provde them to show that defining a doctrine that has been around for about 2000 years does not make it new. Even the doctrine of the Trinity (which most but not all Protestants accept) was not defined until later in church history. I provide them to demonstrate my earlier assertion that Tradition (with a capital T) always comes from scripture and is supported by the understanding of those who have come before us.:

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Originally Posted by St Peter Chrysologous
Where are they who think that the Virgin’s conception and giving birth to her child are to be likened to those of other women? For, this latter case is one of the earth, and the Virgin’s is one from heaven. This one is a case of divine power; the other of human weakness. The one case occurs in a body subject to passion; the other in tranquility of the divine Spirit and peace of the human body. The blood was still, and the flesh astonished; her members were put at rest, and her entire womb was quiescent during the visit of the Heavenly One, until the Author of flesh could take on his garment of flesh, and until He, who was not merely to restore the earth to man but also to give him heaven, could become a heavenly Man. The Virgin conceives, the Virgin brings forth her child, and she remains a virgin.
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Originally Posted by St. John of Damascus
The ever-Virgin One thus reamains even after her birth still virgin, having never at any time till death consorted with a man.

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Originally Posted by St. Leo the Great
The origin is different but the nature like: not by intercourse with a man but by the power of God was it brought about: for a virgin conceived, a Virgin bare and a Virgin she remained.

From the early church father regarding the Immaculate Conception:

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Originally Posted by St Ephraem
Truly you, Lord and your mother are the only ones who are beautiful, completely so in every respect; for, Lord, there is no spot in you, nor any spot at all in your mother.
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Originally Posted by St. Augustine
We must except the holy Virgin Mary, concerning whom I wish to raise no question whien it touches the subject of sins, out of honor to the Lord; for from Him we know what abundance of grace for overcoming sin in every particuolar was conferred upon her who had the merit to conceive and bear Him who undoubtedly had no sin. Well, then, if, with this exception of the Virgin, we could only assemble together all the forementioned holy men and women, and ask them whether they lived without sin while they were in this life, what can we suppose would be their answer? Would it be in the language of our author [Pelagius] or in the words of the Apostle John? I put it to you, whether, on having such a question submitted to them, however excellent might have been their sancity in this body, they would have exclaimed with one voice: ‘If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us’ (1 John 1:8)

Mary is believed to be in heaven (Assumption) because she plays a prominent role in the vision John had of heaven in Revelation 11:19-12:1. Catholics believe that she is the woman clothed in the sun because she is the Ark of the New Covenant [parallels to the OT Ark which contained the rod of Aaron (sign of priesthood); the stone tablets on which God himself wrote the commandments (the word of God); and manna (bread from heaven)....all of these are fulfilled in Mary who bore the Bread of Heaven, the Word made Flesh, and the Eternal High Priest]

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Honoring Mary

I don’t have much time and don’t want to dig through this thread to find the most appropriate place to put this but I haven’t seen this mentioned so far and I’d like to just throw it into the mix. I know that even though as a evangelical-type Protestant I was very familiar with scripture that I completely missed things because the “authority” I listened to had very thoroughly inculcated a bias into me that prevented me seeing what might have otherwise been very plain indeed.

I have already briefly mentioned that in Luke 1:28 when the angel Gabriel greets Mary he uses a title instead of her name and that this is the only place in Sacred Scripture where an angel uses a title rather than a name for one of God’s creatures. “Fully-Graced One” as I have sometimes seen it rendered and that this title conveys a sense that she is not only now fully-graced but has always been and that this title cannot refer to her status as the Mother of God because she had not yet given her consent. It is from this passage that the scriptural basis for the Immaculate Conception is drawn.

Now let’s go to another passage of Sacred Scripture that I used to skip right over as interesting and primarily historical but with meditation and a loss of the previously mentioned inculcated bias….starts to look much, MUCH more interesting Luke 1:41-56…The Visitation.

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When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the infant leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth, filled with the holy Spirit,
42 cried out in a loud voice and said, “Most blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb.
43 And how does this happen to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44 For at the moment the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the infant in my womb leaped for joy. 45 Blessed are you who believed that what was spoken to you by the Lord would be fulfilled.” 46 And Mary said: “My soul proclaims the greatness of the Lord; 47 my spirit rejoices in God my savior. 48 For he has looked upon his handmaid’s lowliness; behold, from now on will all ages call me blessed. 49 The Mighty One has done great things for me, and holy is his name. 50 His mercy is from age to age to those who fear him. 51 He has shown might with his arm, dispersed the arrogant of mind and heart. 52 He has thrown down the rulers from their thrones but lifted up the lowly. 53 The hungry he has filled with good things; the rich he has sent away empty. 54 He has helped Israel his servant, remembering his mercy, 55 according to his promise to our fathers, to Abraham and to his descendants forever.” 56 Mary remained with her about three months and then returned to her home.

Please note that in verse 42 we are told that the things Elizabeth says and does here are done while she is filled with the Holy Spirit. It was the sound of Mary’s greeting that caused the baby John to leap in the womb of Elizabeth and not just the presence of Jesus. Elizabeth is HONORED by the visit of the Mother of her Savior….not just the fact that Mary brought Jesus to her. Remember Elizabeth is filled with the Holy Spirit here so we cannot just chalk up what she says to cultural greetings. Elizabeth could have said “Who am I that you should have brought my Savior to me?” No…it is that the Mother of her Savior visits and not just the presence of the Savior. Next she says that Mary is blessed among women and so is her baby and she uses the very same word to describe both (remember she is FILLED with the Holy Spirit….we cannot easily turn away from her choice of words here). What an amazing parallel! Do I think that she is saying that Mary is divine….NO!!!….but do I think that she is honoring and venerating Mary because of who she is? YES!! Elizabeth clearly honors Mary here independent from the honor she gives Jesus in this encounter.

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Immaculate Conception: “All” Have Sinned

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Originally Posted by Rodalena
For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23

Only one of these statements can be correct. I must go with God’s word over anything else.

Let’s talk about the context of Pauls’ remarks in this passage of Sacred Scripture. When an Old Testament scripture is quoted (As Paul does here) it is very important to go back to the Old Testament and read the passage that is quoted.

For example, while on the cross Jesus cries out “My God, my God! Why hast thou forsaken me!” Now I have seen that NT passage of sacred scripture interpreted to “prove” all sorts of things including that Jesus wasn’t divine and that there is no Trinity because God can’t turn his back on himself. But if you look at the context of the OT passage of scripture Jesus quotes (Psalm 22) we see not a cry of despair but a reminder that He knows what He is doing will result in victory (Psalm 22 starts out rather bleak but ends on a high note!)

With that in mind let’s look at the Psalm(s) that Paul quotes.

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Psalm 14

1 For the leader. Of David. 2 Fools say in their hearts, “There is no God.” Their deeds are loathsome and corrupt; not one does what is right. 2 The LORD looks down from heaven upon the human race, To see if even one is wise, if even one seeks God. 3 All have gone astray; all alike are perverse. Not one does what is right, not even one. 4 Will these evildoers never learn? They devour my people as they devour bread; they do not call upon the LORD. 5 They have good reason, then, to fear; God is with the company of the just. 6 They would crush the hopes of the poor, but the poor have the LORD as their refuge. 7 Oh, that from Zion might come the deliverance of Israel, That Jacob may rejoice, and Israel be glad when the LORD restores his people!

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Psalm 53

1 For the leader; according to Mahalath. A maskil of David. 2 Fools say in their hearts, “There is no God.” Their deeds are loathsome and corrupt; not one does what is right. 3 God looks down from heaven upon the human race, To see if even one is wise, if even one seeks God. 4 All have gone astray; all alike are perverse. Not one does what is right, not even one. 5 Will these evildoers never learn? They devour my people as they devour bread; they do not call upon God. 6 They have good reason to fear, though now they do not fear. For God will certainly scatter the bones of the godless. They will surely be put to shame, for God has rejected them. 7 Oh, that from Zion might come the deliverance of Israel, That Jacob may rejoice and Israel be glad when God restores the people!

Yep Psalm 14 certainly says exactly what Paul does and then in almost the same breath talks about THE JUST!! WHOA! Just like Jesus cry of despair turns into one of victory when you read the Paslm he references, Pauls description of EVERYONE having gone astray looks a little different when you look at the Psalm he quotes. Now let’s place Romans 3:23 against the context of all of scripture and not just one verse.

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Luke 1:2-4 In the days of Herod, King of Judea, there was a priest named Zechariah of the priestly division of Abijah; his wife was from the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elizabeth. Both were righteous in the eyes of God, observing all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blamelessly. But they had no child, because Elizabeth was barren and both were advanced in years.

Hmmmm…..maybe Paul wasn’t talking about these two.

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Luke 1:13-17 But the angel said to him, “Do not be afraid, 5 Zechariah, because your prayer has been heard. Your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you shall name him John. 14 And you will have joy and gladness, and many will rejoice at his birth, 15 for he will be great in the sight of (the) Lord. He will drink neither wine nor strong drink. He will be filled with the holy Spirit even from his mother’s womb, 16 and he will turn many of the children of Israel to the Lord their God. 17 He will go before him in the spirit and power of Elijah 7 to turn the hearts of fathers toward children and the disobedient to the understanding of the righteous, to prepare a people fit for the Lord.”

Filled with the Holy Sprit from his mother’s womb?

And if the wages of sin is death, then what about Elijah and Enoch?

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2 Kings 2:11 As they walked on conversing, a flaming chariot and flaming horses came between them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind.

Remember Sacred Scripture says

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Hebrews 12:14 Strive for peace with everyone, and for that holiness without which no one will see the Lord.

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Rev 21:26-27 The treasure and wealth of the nations will be brought there,
27 but nothing unclean will enter it [heaven], nor any (one) who does abominable things or tells lies. Only those will enter whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

Additionally, most people will grant that infants and small children have not yet committed personal sin and are therefore not included in Paul’s “All” have gone astray. This is not to say that **I** haven’t gone astray and probably most everyone reading this post, but only to point out that Paul’s “all” isn’t quite as inclusive as it looks on the surface.

Now do I think that these men didn’t need a savior? No. I don’t. And in fact, the dogma of the Immaculate Conception doesn’t teach that Mary didn’t need a savior either. It teaches that she received her salvation as an unmerited, unearned gift at her conception thereby preserving her from sin rather than the rest of us who were saved at some point after conception and NOT preserved from the burden of original sin. If God could create Adam and Even without sin, if He can take Enoch and Elijah to heaven where no unclean thing can be, then He certainly could have granted this GIFT to Mary as the angel’s greeting to her seems to indicate.

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